thirteenth zodiac sign???

topic posted Wed, August 3, 2005 - 2:58 PM by  God Star *
Ophiuchuse?

i'm not sure about the dates they posted but, it's interesting and provides more insights into the relationships of Ancient Egypt with the Mayans and Aztecs

www.tchiya.com/celestialw...0wisdom.htm

At this time, I am ready once again to focus our attention on Ophiuchus the thirteenth zodiac sign, the 13th constellation along the ecliptic, the path of the sun and its planets. Ophiuchus is known in the West as the Serpent Bearer. In some communities, he is considered to be Imhotep, Wonderful Healer from Kimet (Ancient Egypt).

Ophiuchus/Imhotep stands between Scorpio and Sagittarius in our sky.

" Ophiuchus The Serpent Holder is a three-part constellation patiently waiting for somebody to notice him space-walking on the plane of the ecliptic, known to astrologers as "the belt of the zodiac."

"Unfortunately, this constellation's relevance to astrology has not yet been officially proclaimed and astronomers are complaining bitterly about it. Not having studied the roots of astrology, they do not realize that the zodiac signs are not intended to represent the constellations of the zodiac but are merely divisions of the heavens that take their names from the brighter constellations that appear to be in the general vicinity.
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God Star *
SF Bay Area
  • Re: thirteenth zodiac sign???

    Wed, August 3, 2005 - 3:09 PM

    This is the official Ophiuchus page

    *NOTE: Shows where the Kabbalah (Qabbalah) ~ Tree of Life comes from,
    the Milky Way???

    www.tchiya.com/celestialw...0wisdom.htm

    from Tchiya 2002

    At this time, I am ready once again to focus our attention on Ophiuchus the thirteenth zodiac sign, the 13th constellation along the ecliptic, the path of the sun and its planets. Ophiuchus is known in the West as the Serpent Bearer. In some communities, he is considered to be Imhotep, Wonderful Healer from Kimet (Ancient Egypt).

    Ophiuchus/Imhotep stands between Scorpio and Sagittarius in our sky.
    " Ophiuchus The Serpent Holder is a three-part constellation patiently waiting for somebody to notice him space-walking on the plane of the ecliptic, known to astrologers as "the belt of the zodiac."

    "Unfortunately, this constellation's relevance to astrology has not yet been officially proclaimed and astronomers are complaining bitterly about it. Not having studied the roots of astrology, they do not realize that the zodiac signs are not intended to represent the constellations of the zodiac but are merely divisions of the heavens that take their names from the brighter constellations that appear to be in the general vicinity.

    The Cultural Significance of the Winter Solstice by Tchiya Amet:

    Typically around December 21, the Winter Solstice (solstice means "sun stops", which is what the sun appears to do) marks the time of year with the longest night, the shortest day. This is the time of year when the sun moves into the constellation called Capricorn of the well known 12 month Zodiac calendar. With each day after the Winter Solstice, we begin to receive more & more light, i.e.. Longer days.

    The Winter Solstice is also known as the (Re-) Birth of the Sun, which is commonly celebrated as Christmas, or the Birth of the SON, which is observed 2-3 days after the occurrence of the event. Perhaps this is also the reasoning behind the original Hebrew observance, of lighting the menorah, celebrated in present times as Chanukah ( Festival of Lights), or even Kwaanza, with each new candle each night symbolizing more and more light The Winter Solstice also marks the transition from Fall to Winter, an intense period of purification, self-renewal, regeneration, rejuvenation, rebirth, reflection, rest, and even hibernation.

    The Solstices and Equinoxes also mark the time of year where the 4 cardinal points of our own system align with the cardinal points of the Milky Way Galaxy. In fact, it has been said that the Winter Solstice of the year 2012, the year the Mayan Calendar is said to be the end of the world, marks the time when our Solar System will line up with the Center of the Galaxy, a great period of realignment and purification, bringing much needed change and growth, not merely destruction.

    This period began with the Winter Solstice of 1998, and will culminate in 2012. This alignment is said to represent a shift in our culture, from being a solar (or ego) based culture to one that is in alignment with the Galactic Center (towards a more humanitarian based society).

    Speaking of the Milky Way, did you know that our Galaxy was once the Central Character in the calendars and cultures of the Ancient Ones? Only recently did we become so obsessed with our egos!

    In Mayan Culture for instance, the Milky Way is known as the Tree of Life.

    In Ancient Kemet (Egypt) as well.

    It is said that when a being sheds it's body, the Soul travels along the Tree of Life towards its eternal resting place. In the Quechuan Culture of Peru (Cuzco region) the Milky Way is known as Mayu, meaning River. There is a direct relationship between the flow of water (and life) in their village river and the flow of water (and light) in the River Mayu. In both cultures, the crosses formed by the Milky Way are used as clocks by the people.
    • Re: thirteenth zodiac sign???

      Wed, August 3, 2005 - 3:16 PM

      When the Babylonians or Phoenicians formed the current system of Zodiac, they were aware of the 13th constellation Ophiuchus. We know this from the wheel at Denderah, an Ancient Khemet wheel of the sky.

      Why did they decide to leave it out? Sagittarius is located in the region of the arm of the Milky Way that leads to the Galactic Center. Sag points directly to the the central region. (*NOTE: Remember my comment about Sag the Archer pointing his Arrow at Scorpios heart? and why it's so important to follow your heart, it's to purify your soul OR you'll come back Chiron the wounded Centaur :P ) Ophiuchus stands directly over this central area.

      Ohiuchus is represented at Denderah with a snake on his headwear.

      This vibration is connected to Imhotep from Ancient Khemet. Imhotep was among other things, a great healer, engineer and architect. He is responsible for the first pyramid in Khemet. In modern times, Ophiuchus is symbolized by a man holding a snake wrapped around his legs. He is standing on the back of the Scorpion.
      • Re: thirteenth zodiac sign???

        Sat, November 3, 2007 - 6:46 PM

        the 13th sign ...hmmmm?
        • Re: thirteenth zodiac sign???

          Wed, November 7, 2007 - 2:30 PM
          in order to keep up with our expanding consciousness ~ astrology must expand, too ~ there are many ways ~ this is but one of them ~ if you can find relevance with the 13th sign, by all means, use it

          personally, I'm adding asteroids & some of the more esoteric points like Dark Moon Lilith ~

          I like the foundational evolution of the 12 signs, in 4 elements, moving through 3 modes (cardinal, fixed & mutable) ~ this also aligns with the 6 polarities of the Zodiac ~ all of that is too numerically 'even' for me to add a 13th, at this point, but I'm open to arguments for it

          love all-ways,
          mem
  • Re: thirteenth zodiac sign???

    Wed, April 23, 2008 - 2:11 PM
    13 is logically expanded into 13 * 28

    there are 22 constellations to the zodiac but the sun travels through 15, cetus and orion including, by arcsec...

    besides all planets go throuigh cetus and orion... orion is basicly in duat so subconscious so o5iris...
    • Re: thirteenth zodiac sign???

      Fri, April 25, 2008 - 6:08 PM
      this is all so fascinating, thanks everyone :) my mom was born on the sag/scorpio cusp, so the significance of this is really interesting to me.
      • Re: thirteenth zodiac sign???

        Wed, May 7, 2008 - 3:32 PM
        Well what's interesting is,
        Is that the moon makes an even 13 cycles around the earth each with (don't quote me on this) 20 days of separation.
        with an extra 5 days. That the Maya/ Meshika refer to as the unlucky days.
        But it is interesting that there actually could possibly be a 13th sign that could follow a lunar calendar, instead of a solar one
        • Re: thirteenth zodiac sign???

          Wed, May 7, 2008 - 4:52 PM



          this truly is a fascinating topic

          it is interesting to me to reflect on comparisons
          between alt calendars and traditional astrology

          i look forward to following this thread/exploration

          aurelia
          • Re: thirteenth zodiac sign???

            Fri, May 9, 2008 - 1:53 AM
            Orion is the typical Kemitic submerged ascendant, but there are others. at the time more than 30 ascendants.

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            9:11i
            It is time for astrology


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            HOROSCOPES KILL


            Horoscopes kill people on daily basis. Here is how. The fellow opens the newspaper and reads the horoscope. The woman divorces after an astrological session. Things happen despite predictions and do not happen despite predictions. Why is it so?


            DEAD END


            The woman commits suicide because she stil loves the man she has divorced from, who commits suicide in turn for similar reasons. That Neptune was not in the 7th house at all.


            FATE?


            So where was that Neptune? It was in the real sky. The real sky is an area unknown to astrologers. Astrologers are of course not really interested in astrology. Besides there are not too many astrologer on the planet, perhaps five for every generation. The rest just reads horoscopes. That Neptune was, by the way, in the 6th house, but no house system knows it. A two degrees error has caused two suicides. Interesting results. So you want that kind of thing happening to you? Go ahead, be blind, enjoy your life and keep your sun sign. Make it personal.


            INORGANIC CONSPIRACY


            Why are the men in black keeping you from knowing your own natal horoscope? They don't want their hamburger to fly away. How would a vampireii survive without his prey?


            12/12


            What is astrology good for? The 12/12 system is ideal for non-astrologers, people who read horoscopes in the newspapers and rightfully partly disbelieve occurrence. Such people would hardly be informed about Eris sitting on the descendant of destruction in NYC and Obama sharing Moon in Orion of the national tragedy. From the viewpoint of 12/12 astrology and ruling media, the WTC did not happen, precisely what is suggested, it was nothing at all, just a bruise. 12/12 astrology does not see the stars, it needs no stars.


            15 SUN SIGNS


            The Sun crosses 15 constellations on its pathiii as we define them today as legacy of the past. Orion, Ophiuchuis and Cetus are old definitions. The Lamb of God in Aries fights the devil in Cetusiv. Osiris is Orion, the ascendant of resurrectionv and Ophiuchus keeps the Italian mafiavi and U.S.A. From tearing the world apart.


            WTC


            The WTC would not happen at all if the U.S.A. Would have any predictive astrology. Predictive astrology is easy. You do not need years to know how to predict e.g. Marriage in seconds. You need twenty minutes, especially if you are not an astrologer at all.


            ASTROLOGER


            The astrologer possesses curiosity, inspection, love towards creation, and a good telescope. He may look upon the 12/12 people with pity since they are disconnected from creation and true heaven by a series of errors, starting with the two sign shift. Namely is is useless to believe that you are a sexy Scorpio when your natal Sun is in Virgo. It ruining one's life the method does not really matter, but divorcing on account of a pseudo-astrological advice might be considered as sin against the spirit, as God forbade poor Chaldean astrology that was never updated for precession. The reason why superstition is forbidden is because it hurts.


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            iIt is 9:11 AM as I write this, as I intended to write about the WTC, I marvel at the coincidence and take it as good omen.
            iiFor further details see our RTRRT publications, as often embedded with our astrological publications.
            iiiSeparate publications deal with e.g. Sun Mercury cazimi in Orion, or the Age of Cetus. Both Orion and Cetus are delicate points in astrology with rich legacy since Kem and Jesus the Christ.
            ivAs Eris has conjunction with Pluto in Cetus.
            vSee also on Subconscious Ascendants.
            viPartly incorrect, since the mafia has another horoscope. Italy as republic has Serpens Caput ascending in its horoscope, while the U.S.A. have Serpens Cauda.at east in Philadelphia. This relationship stretches as a snake, the head being in Italy and its tail or consequence in theU.S.A. A careful analysis of the masonic interrelationships show that e.g. Italy hosts British lodges. The mafia can be seen as another lodge of the snake.

            • Re: thirteenth zodiac sign???

              Tue, May 20, 2008 - 5:21 AM

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              ASTRO QUIZ
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              GOD FORBADE ASTROLOGY?
              There is mention of Orion and star clusters, even organized zodiacal constellations in the Bible. The Earth is described as hanging in the void. Therefore superstition has nothing to do with the Bible. God encouraged humanity in using universe as a giant clock as based on precession. That is exactly what the Kemites and Maya did. God forbade lie, that is fixed systems that have nothing to do with creation and precession.
              THE 12/12 SUPERSTITION
              Due to false scientists, people believe in an unchanging sky with a fixed set of 12 ascendants. That is hilarious, absurd as well and easily unmasked1 as superstition. The ascendant set is changing, otherwise we would no have precession at all. The ascendant set is changing with epoch. The number and quality of ascending constellations differs with epoch. The current epoch affords for a moderate set of 16 ascendants, while previous epoch has a much larger choice of ascendants. That confirms nicely with globalisation.
              GOD & NASA
              Chaldean astrology was obviously not updated for precession, much as nowadays superstition. God knew that humanity is prone to error. The 12/12 astrology model is in dangerous error, as there is nothing funny in global superstition at all, rather a tragedy for a space bound humanity that nevertheless believes in obsolete and crippled stellar models like sidereal, Indian and tropical astrology or worse.
              ECOLOGY IN THE STARS


              TRUE NATAL SKIES


              The stars reflect on Earth from their natural position and not from the popular horoscope, as universe is against superstition. The devil has many enemies.


              AN ASTROLOGICAL LEGACY


              From the legal point, an astrology as based on 12 signs and 12 ascendants is not legal at all, since the planetary models as found in various civilisations are by far more complex than Dendera itself. While temporary simplifications are welcome in their task to illustrate universe in compact form, static models are fatal for a race that moves on. The ascendant has never been frozen on the spot as precession dictates the change of the constellations that rise in the east according to epoch. Thus at the time of the big quake, it was Sextans that rose at east, in synchronicity with Orcus in Hydra and Saturn in Leo.


              GALACTIC ECOLOGY


              In order to care for planetary and galactic ecology, one observes the great cycles like precession. Observation is not easily tricked since there are many astronomers who agree on most observations that have intrinsically nothing to do with local creed. The Cat's Paw Nebula is the same for Egypt, India or Peru, when it lacks local mythology and national interpretation. On the other hand, a zodiacal constellation as Orion can be easily understood as underworld descendant in popular Kemitic astronomy, since Osiris is the lord of the underworld, the subconscious part of the universe and local world zodiac.


              ASTROLOGICAL PIRATES


              It goes without saying that anyone pretending to read ecological portents from an unnatural set of symbols can not possibly account for any ecological contribution for the planet. The false New Age prophets do not account for precession, equinox and position of the sun against the starry skies. The devil has fed many false prophets who dabble with 12 signs and 12 ascendants, while rejecting the real sky, if they have a notion of the real sky at all. Their predictions are based on false ephemeris and 12/12 fashioned horoscopes that enslave the planet while producing psychological and ecological catastrophe. A planet ruled by false signs is lacking emotional balance and nowadays the error is greater than mere two signs.


              THE DEVIL IN THE HOROSCOPE


              In order to understand nature, God and universe, one observes creation with inner eye2 but also with modern ears and eyes and scientific method. While the Chinese equatorial astronomy system is still fully scientific and operational, the devil provided yet another way to trick false ego into the simple hell of a 12/12 sign system, and that by assuming that the ascendants equal the zodiacal signs forever. The devil tricked Adam by sweeping precession under the carpet. Kepler, Hipparchus and Nostradamus are just the most recent victims of such a maneuver against planetary ecology.


              2002 AW197


              As the asian continent is torn apart and shaken, the Chinese need more than just ||::|: magick charms3 in order to alleviate unnatural catastrophe from their legacy as shamans and thinkers. Equatorial astrology has been replaced with an even more natural scientific frame as based on azimuth and altitude, that is the way we naturally observe the skies.


              ASTROLOGICAL CODEX1


              The Astrological Codex regulates as well as updates the standards as used by astrologers2.


              The Astronomic Zodiac defines the position of the planets43.
              There are 22 IAU4 zodiacal constellations55.
              The eastern ascendant defines the ascending star or object of interest6.
              The present epoch defines 16 precessed ascendants.
              While the local zodiac7 normally consists of a fixed number of constellations, the precessed ascendant set changes according to precession. The local zodiac is thus defined for each object separately, that entails planets, satellites, the Sun, Earth co orbitals, Apoheles, centaur objects, dwarf planets, comets and spacecraft.
              The Cartesian house system6 is applied to a variety8 of zodiacal situations9.
              Scientific astrology extends to the region of the WMAP cold spot, and thus beyond this universe and into parallel universes.
              A human being with the WMAP cold spot in Eridanus ascending in one’s horoscope can be treated as superhuman for all practical purposes, even parallel being or inorganic scout. This according to scientific astrology including astral or invisible planets in its scope. The parallel universe is thus included in the astrological chart.
              Scientific astrology covers all Vedic astronomy, astral planets including.
              Scientific astrology is applicable to Mayan, Egyptian and Chinese systems7.
















              CHINA QUAKE


              CARDINAL POINTS


              The ascendant for the devastating May 12th Chengdu earthquake is masonic Sextans. The descendant is Aquarius. The northern constellation is Draco while the southern is Reticulum. The Pleiads with Witchallow8 are on the meridian.


              RISING PLANETS


              Orcus is rising in Hydra near the earthquake's true ascendant is Sextans. Saturn is rising in Leo with centaur Okyrhoe in Leo. Hylonome is southern in Scorpius with 333 degrees of azimuth.


              OBSERVATIONS


              The northern asteroid is strangely indicative Olympia, in Hercules. Centaur 2000 FZ53 is below in Serpens Caput9.


              CONSIDERATIONS


              Along with Orcus, 2002 AW197 is the main earthquake10 provoker. The Moon is in Leo, rising with 2002 AW19711 in Hydra.


              AFTERMATH


              The tail of the dragon kills as purported by Moon in Sextans. As we write this, China is shaking still and there is concern for the stability of the damaged dams. If dams break, we have a biblical situation and not mere great unnatural catastrophe.


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              1A glance at the sky, even virtual sky, will show the true ascendants rising. There is a host of online planetarium programs to chose from, for those who wish not install an astronomical program.
              2An inner eye is not necessarily something partially physical as Bindu. As concern the Tree of Life, it is under the magnetic spell of Neptune that inner vision takes place, as vaguely associated with Lord Father and Ajna cakra. See also RTRRT, O5 “cakra walk”, or discreation cakra by cakra.
              3The dams are about to break as the earthquakes continue after the last Moon in Sextans. Orcus, Saturn and 2002 AW197 are now aligned for a prolonged catastrophe.
              4 The statement implies that there is only one position of the planet, namely astronomical.
              5 The standard has been set in August 2006. The historical zodiacs are available from the site. Of the historical zodiacs the X and P zodiac are still in common use.
              6 Historically known as Night & Day house system; a unique house system that replaced the obsolete experiments in housing planets.
              7 Under the precise coordination of scientific astrology, the systems can even cooperate, when based on astronomy. Systems based on superstition are of course never compatible with the real sky.
              8WMAP cold spot. See dedicated publications.
              9The ascendant of Italy, the U.S.A. Have Serpens Cauda ascending.
              102002 AW197 is precisely known for causing sea quakes, especially when in Hydra.
              112002 AW197 is rising at 05:28 UT, precisely a hour before the time we used for the map.
              1 Some versions and upgrades of the Astrological Codex may be partly be classified for free distribution, however, the integral version is updated on the site www.lulu.com/astrology
              2 Sometimes we use “astrologist” to denote the sad victim of a precession-free superstition. The astrologer as defined in the Codex is mostly a being that cashes on the true sky for any calculations about the future.
              3 That is, the position of the planets against the tapestry of stars. There is only one hole in the tapestry but scientists suspect an anti scion.
              4 Since the NASA ephemeris system is the official reference, it is best to check with the NASA mainframe when in doubt about any zodiacal positions, such as e.g. Venus in Crater, which we did at length as published in our zodiacal reformation series.
              5 The definition applies to the zodiac for planet Earth. The local zodiacs are elaborated in great detail in Planetocentric Astrology www.lulu.com/content/652589
              6 This includes the starless region of the WMAP cold spot.
              7 The local zodiac is defined by the spacecraft mainframe.
              8 Here is an example of application for a birth on planet Earth. In the year 2004, a baby was born with Moon in Cetus ascending, Mercury in Sextans, Venus in Orion, Juno in Scutum and Pluto in Coma Berenices. These positions are of course clearly visible in the Cartesian chart wheel.
              9 The unique house system resolves a variety of problems dealing with latitude, elevation or depression. It has been tested on spacecraft, meaning that it is applicable to the board mainframe. In the case that a horary chart is needed in an alien system, the computer proposes the local zodiac along with essential solutions for the astrological calculation. Our examples already include the horoscopes of babies born on our mining coorbitals like 2002 AA29 or Cruithne.