Thanks Partha

"in Air is more subtle"

ha-ha, I would have to ask you, ever been in a tornado? ;-P

Mars forces in *Cardinal Air - Wind is one of the strongest elements - i understand your point though

I see this in many of the so-called Dignities and Debilities of planets in their fall, the sign opposite, or its exaltation.

I also have Moon in Capricorn which I think is emotional security (not melancholy), I also have Jupiter in Cancer 9th (opposite the Moon sample i give the kids so much candy and treats that the go home sick-ha ha) and Saturn in Aries which i think of as a Discipline Warrior - so we should see the potential even in the signs so called fall or debilities and not any "fixed rules" of good or bad...

I would like to say that I think you're on to something, and I think your right - then once inside the Decans (10) we can go into the Sabians

"For instance: if Jupiter were in the last decanate of Aries"

NOTE: I would say Planets have Energy - Not Signs, OK that's not right, what I'm trying to say is that Signs are "‘thoughtforms"
on the mental plane, and act as a channel through which the energies of the zodiacal constellations focus.

signs are "unseen", yet act as a channel through which the energies comes through

The zodiac could be considered as a "subtle" body of the Earth, the "astral" body.
So there are intangibles, unseen energies developing "intangible" senses.

These energies are "stepped down" through the seven rays, which then pass through the zodiacal signs and "collect" or reach a point of focus in the Sun. The rays are transmitted to us through the planets.

I would say Signs show how that energy is expressed - so Jupiter's energy would still express that strong Aries influence, drive, expansiveness, jolly, and humor - and would be open to new experiences, enterprising thoughts, who would want to grow and stretch
to a greater sense of self - new ventures and travel to uncharted territories around the world.

but in the THIRD DECAN of ARIEs

The *sub-influences of this Sagittarius decan would indeed induce some interesting externalized characteristics and personality differences

"With Jupiter is in Aries, is the image is the door of opportunity being flung open. Another image is someone grabbing at a potential, whether a potential for growth, money, or greater room. There can also be a pushy superiority when this energy is operating from ego -- or a tendency to try to force opportunities to manifest when their time isn't ripe. Jupiter in Aries says, "swing wide the doors of opportunity -- if there isn't an opportunity opening soon enough, kick open the door". ha-ha

Though in the Third Decan, i would say they are more able to modify their approach,

"adjusting from a "hard push" to a "soft pedal" if the former seems not to be appropriate or working as well as it should. they are better able to cope with resistance than the other decans of Aries-rising natives. Personally, they tend to remain aloof from others and the environment generally. While this may cause others to complain that they are "distant" and difficult to get to know, being somewhat detached enables them to maintain better control of their temper because they simply don't let as many things upset them."

Sag governs their sense of humor and general optimism markedly. This makes them pleasant to be around. They're especially effective when helping others through their problems and negative situations. Off and on throughout their lifetime, it's probable they'll work at continuing their education in some way--both formally and informally.

"Any indirect activation of a sign (energy) by a planet in it's respective decanate makes the
associated sign come in play on a supra-conscious level."

that IS if they're are able to become supra -conscious of this level, of this activation, or this planet or this decanate

>"That will make interpretation much more intricate and revealing, especially on an
esoterical or evolutionary level. Of course the rulership of the decanates is contentious,
but even on an exoterical level it can show remarkable affinities and open up a whole other dimension. "< Partha

Yes and this is the part that I very much agree with... but again that depends on the person and say other aspects of Jupiter.

I - Planets - (What) raw energy (these are the Verbs of Astrology)

II - Zodiac Signs (How)- patterns for energy

III - Aspects - (Dynamics) connections between the planets energy dynamics

IV - Houses -(Where) the energy/patterns (planets/signs) take place