Lilith

topic posted Sun, June 25, 2006 - 8:32 AM by  God Star *

Lilith in the signs
A Deeper Look: Astrology Beyond the Traditional Planets

Lilith - The Dark Moon

by Catt Foy

She is reputedly Adam's first wife, before Eve. She is known as a demoness, the killer of infants in their cradles. She is the original woman, who refused to be subjugated to a man's desires. Consort to both the devil and God himself, she is the enigmatic and mysterious Lilith.

A little-known element in astrology charts, Lilith is known as the "dark Moon" and, as such, represents our "dark" or hidden emotional selves. According to Lois Daton, author of "Lilith, The Planet of the Doodler," the physical existence of Lilith was confirmed by the United States Weather Bureau in 1879.

Lilith's placement in the chart is especially important to women, and represents the power of the original woman. In a man's chart, Lilith's placement will reveal the hidden power struggles or other issues he may have, resolved or unresolved, with the women in his life.

Lilith was known to the Chaldean astrologers; the Egyptians called her Nephthys. The name Lilith is derived from the old Semitic word for night, "lel" or "lelath", in Arabic "laylah," which also means "ghost" or "spectre" in Hebrew. She is associated with the Death card in Tarot and with the goddesses Persephone, Hecate, Athena, Minerva. She is associated with the Owl, representing secrecy and wisdom, and she is frequently connected with cats.

Lilith is perhaps best understood in contrast to her counterpart, the visible Moon, Luna. Luna receives her self-fulfillment and self-definition through the nurturing of others. Lilith is self-fulfilled and self-defined. Luna represents the visible emotions; Lilith is those emotions which remain hidden or secret. Lilith lives behind-the-scenes, usually undetected. She can be sneaky or deceptive, but she can also indicate our ability to be subtle, to guide and manage events and people without being intrusive. She is our ability to be private, and her placement in the chart will tell you what the native feels most secretive about. As a Moon, Lilith is also associated with mothering, but she is the strength of a mother protecting her cubs. Luna is soft and kind and nurturing. Lilith is strong, a disciplinarian, and will kill any who threaten the well-being of her offspring. Lilith is protective and self-protective.

She protects herself from her own toxic emotions, becoming the guardian of shame, guilt, hatred, vengefulness, bitterness, envy, jealousy. We look for Lilith in our charts to discover which defense mechanisms we employ to hide our wounding.
She is also the femme fatale - the sexually powerful woman. She affects dreams, especially sexual ones, and is an influence in trances, hypnotism, the channeling of entities, interdimensional beings, and possession.
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  • Re: Lilith

    Sun, June 25, 2006 - 8:33 AM

    Here is a brief overview of Lilith's placement in the natal charts. As with anything in astrology, her influence must be interpreted within the context of the total chart.

    Aries - Lilith in Aries is straight-forward about her sexuality and may use it to feel powerful. Applied in a negative manner, there may be temper tantrums or bratty behavior.

    Taurus - Lilith in Taurus may hide money or possessions, and there will be a great deal of secrecy regarding finances. This can also indicate miserliness, or a refusal to share one's resources with others.

    Gemini - When Lilith hides herself among the twins, she may exhibit a chameleon-like ability to be whoever she must be at the moment, hiding her true thoughts and feelings. If used improperly, the native may be considered "two-faced" or be a vicious gossip.
    Cancer - Hidden emotions may come out in ways that affect the physical health. When expressed in ways that are healthy, Lilith's influence here makes the native a powerful parent, or an activist for the protection of children. When negative, there may be chronic or psychomatic illness, or the tendency toward martyrdom.

    Leo - Lilith in Leo wants to be admired, but she'll never admit it. In creative expression, she will do things her own way and never feel obliged to explain herself. Taken to extremes, she becomes the prima donna, demanding and unforgiving.

    Virgo - Lilith in Virgo will often make the native very secretive or repressed in their sexual expression, and there will be much attention to hygiene and health-related details. When negative, Lilith in Virgo can be very cold and aloof, or extremely critical of the habits of others.

    Libra - Lilith in Libra may find herself concerned with the legalistic side of power. She is a defender of women here, supportive of laws that curtail abuse or sexual crimes. Taken to extremes, Lilith in Libra may be vindictive against those she perceives to be offenders, and in relationships may be clinging, jealous or manipulative.

    Scorpio - There are some astrologers who believe that Lilith is the co-ruler of Scorpio, along with Pluto. When placed here, she is powerfully sexual, hypnotic, seductive and wise. When under a negative influence, she can become bitter, vengeful or obsessed.
    Sagittarius - Lilith in Sagittarius may hide her emotions beneath a facade of humor or a mask of "niceness." She may keep her personal philosophies secret from others, keeping her own counsel. In the negative, this placement can indicate haughtiness, self-righteousness, and prejudice.

    Capricorn - Lilith in Capricorn will hardly ever share any emotions, and these natives may seem unapproachable. Achievement and status will be the method employed to feed the hidden need for emotional contact. At its extremes, here is the anal retentive who must control everything.

    Aquarius - Lilith in Aquarius will probably mask the hidden emotions with a series of ever-changing kaleidoscopic surface emotions, and will seem fascinating and elusive to others. The native may be chimerical, fluttering like a fairy from one situation to the next. At its worst, Lilith in Aquarius is irresponsible, remote, and refuses to listen to others.

    Pisces - Lilith is already secretive, and doubly so in Pisces. This is usually the person who has emotional wounding buried so deeply that they don't even know it themselves. Lilith's placement here may instigate behaviors which even the native finds baffling, and is often associated with passive-aggressive and unconscious behavioral patterns.
    By making peace with and embracing our own darkest emotions, we can integrate ourselves. Lilith is one of the keys in astrology which can help us attain that goal.
    • Re: Lilith

      Sun, June 25, 2006 - 12:19 PM
      Hmmm... Lilith is in my 5th in Sag. I would say that humor has always been my defense when I feel wounded. Interestingly enough, Lilith is sextile my Chiron. Lilith is also Trine Jupiter, Pluto, and Uranus. I can't say as I hide my personal philosophies, however. If anything, I "over share"..lol.
    • Re: Lilith

      Sun, June 25, 2006 - 1:02 PM
      Chaz ~

      I am currently doing much research on Lilith. This article says it is about the Dark Moon Lilith, which is the hypothetical second, smaller moon of the Earth. Although some people claim to have seen it, it's existance is still quite 'hypothetical' (although from my perspective, that doesn't mean it can't be used astrologically ~ as the entire system of astrology is 'hypothetical' in the eyes of so-called modern science). The symbol of DM Lilith is a circle with a slash through it & it can be added on astro.com in their hypothetical points section #h13, I believe.

      There are two, more commonly used Liliths ~ asteroid #1181 named Lilith & Black Moon Lilith, which is a mathematical point found using the Earth & Moon ~ the second center of the Moon's elliptical orbit around the Earth. The asteroid Lilith has a symbol that looks like a down turned hand with a fish-hook tail & the BM Lilith's symbol is a cresent moon over a cross. Many people are confused as to which <witch> Lilith is being discussed. The only physically confirmed object is the asteroid Lilith, but most people in discussing Lilith refer to the BM Lilith, whose symbol can be found on astro.com.

      All three Liliths are interconnected in their meanings & I have found, especially at the start, the interpretations through the signs can be used interchangeably (maybe because all three of my Liliths fall into Virgo, but that is not true for everyone), but eventually one will want to tease them apart. This is further complicated by the fact that both the BM Lilith & DM Lilith have true & mean values & sometimes one will run across interpretations for the fixed star Agol, which is also sometimes referred to as Lilith (or Medusa's Eye/Hand).

      Here are a few syntheses I have found:

      The cycle of our Lilith experience is initiated by the asteroid Lilith, developed by the Dark Moon Lilith & completed by the Black Moon Lilith.

      Essentially Tantric ~ Lilith inher several forms transforms subjective to spiritual. Her impersonal energy opens transparent areas of the mind, not clouded by the weight of collective judgement or limitations of ego identity. The 3 aspects vibrate at different frequencies, in chords & octaves, opening channels to clear & spiritualize the emotional body.

      At this point in history, with the divine feminine re-emerging fully into our consciousness, I find the character of Lilith very compelling & highly useful. She is helpful in 'shadow work', working to re-integrate our darker parts; reconnect & feel, but then transend our emotional selves; and re-illuminate the 'original' bridge to our deeper, spiritual beings.

      She goes by MANY names. Here are a few I have come across:

      The hand (maiden) of Innana
      The mirror-opposite of Innana
      The maid of desolation (who dances in the ruins of cities)
      Little girl left out

      Just as many have 'feared' the 'End Times' while simultaneously lamenting the state of the world today, so Lilith has been feared & demonized, mostly by those who subscribe to a patriarchal system, that is now trapped in overwhelming warfare, abuse & exploitation. I do not fear the ending of the dominance of that system, nor the 'coming' of Lilith. I welcome her & dance joyfully with her in the ruins of the old-style cities.

      Here are a few other gifts she brings with her:

      Lilith inhabits the astral or psychic plane ~ the middle region round the spine which connects the snake (kundalini) & the bird (consciousness).

      The energies of destruction can be transmuted & taken up into the creative destructuring of the old civilization ~ already outgrown.

      Lilith challenges both women & men to connect with their instictive passion for life. For this natural force denied, unfulfilled, caged or exiled turns destructive.

      Many authors, noting the way that Lilith has been demonized throughout written history, attempt to 'whitewash' her ~ wanting to ignore her darker aspects, but that strategy falls flat also. While not the jealous & completely evil baby-killer she has been made out to be, Lilith does demand certain prices for her gifts. In my estimation though, many people at this point, men & women alike, have already paid her prices, in terms of society's exile, the death of their ego/pride, abandonment, and enduring punishment for standing up for themselves & not submitting to the dominant forces at play in the world today. Thise who have not paid yet, will & Lilith will not be gentle in exacting her price ~ thus the 'fear' & fear mongering on the part of those who dred the End Times.

      love all-ways,
      mem
      • Re: Lilith

        Sun, June 25, 2006 - 3:03 PM
        You wonder: who am I coming at you like your shadow?
        I am black but comely, O Daughters of Earth.
        Joy is my sister. Sister I to Death.
        I am the first and I am the last.
        I am the honored one and I am the scorned one.
        I am the whore and the holy one.
        I am the substance and the one who has no substance.
        I sleep on the earth and I dance in the trees.
        I lie in the sands and I fly on the breeze.
        I walk in the sun and I drink with the bees.
        I sing with the rocks and I do as I please.

        You have summoned me with your desires.
        There are things you need to know about Love and Creation.
        What can I know about Love, you ask?
        I seduce, I destroy, I have no heart?
        Those are lies. Lies they tell about me now.
        Lies they might tell about you later.
        I live in the tree of life, with the serpent in the roots
        and the thunderbird of enlightenment in its branches.
        Why are you afraid of me, afraid of the tree?
        What is inside of you is outside of you
        And what you see outside is what is inside of you.
        It is visible and it is your garment.

        How beautiful are thy feet in shoes, O Daughters of the Moon!
        I am wild, like the wind! Yes!
        Thy navel is like a round goblet filled with wine.
        Thy belly is like a heap of wheat set about with lilies.
        I sleep in the desert. I live in trees. I kiss serpents. Yes!
        Thy two breasts are like two young deer that are twins.
        Thy neck is as a tower of ivory.
        Thine eyes like the fishpools by the white harbor.
        My passions are boundless, untamed. Yes!
        My passions are the same as yours.
        Feel your passion. Let it fill you. Let it fill you with your power.

        And you, Man, Hero, still two-thirds god!
        Do you remember me?
        Do you remember what we once were to each other?
        Do you remember the love that we shared?
        I long for a mate, thirsty like water.
        Come to me, I need your seed
        Or I wither and die, no fruit in my branches.
        I want all of you.
        I draw you in to meet me,
        All-surrendered, all-potent, all-consuming
        To the altar of fire.
        Why do you resist me?
        Is it because I am stronger than you
        In the darkness of the night?
        You say I am an illusion, like a dream.
        Poor fool, I am no dream.
        I offer you rapture and peace for your sterile pride.
        You deny and question,
        But mine eyes gleam on thee, lit with an alien light.
        My lips proclaim mysteries.
        My arms hold all that gods desire and fools reject.
        Behold me!
        Yes, I am tempting you. I am temptation.
        Glory in the temptation of knowledge, O Adam,
        I am your salvation.
        You must give yourself to me,
        Give your sins to me.
        I will take you beyond sin.
        I am the door to the garden.

        But I will not submit to you and be put beneath you,
        Like a serving maid.
        He conquers me who dares to pay my price.
        I ask too much, you say?
        Yet I give all.
        Why do you reject my love?
        Watch out, you man, I warn you.
        When I leave, you will fall asleep
        And your rib will be taken out for your mate.
        You banish me, but you will be cast out from the garden
        And struggle to be reborn.
        I will return to remind you of what you really want.
        How you feel broken with a mate who is part of you,
        Like a crutch.

        And you, Woman, watch out for the Hero.
        One day he may turn against you and call you whore.
        But until that day,
        I will bring the men from the fields
        To the temple for the holy rites of love.
        Until that day,
        When the fertile crescent is burning
        With the raging fires of war,
        And the Earth is dying from the poisons of the weapons.
        I go now, but you will hear my voice
        In the wailing of women mourning their dead children,
        In the howling winds and the hurricanes,
        The earthquakes and the volcanoes!
        www.astrologyalive.com/Lilith.html
      • Re: Lilith

        Sun, June 25, 2006 - 10:42 PM
        mem,

        Thank you for that wonderful explanation. It's hard to tell all the Liliths apart! Just so I know for sure I understand...

        Name - type of body/point - reference number - symbol description - role

        Dark Moon Lilith - hypothetic 2nd moon - hypothetical point #h13 - circle with a slash - develops experience

        Liltih - asteroid - #1181 - downturned hand with a fishhook tail - initiates experience
        (as seen here: www.zanestein.com/lilith.htm)

        Black Moon Lilith - second center of the Moon's elliptical orbit around the Earth - reference #______? -cresent moon over a cross - completes experience

        At astro.com the Black Moon Lilith is in the pre-made list of asteroids to add, while Dark Moon Lilith and the asteroid Lilith need to be specifically entered by reference number. Astro.com calls Black Moon Lilith the "Osculating Lunar Apogee" and my chart says "osc." where she is. My chart says "Lilit" for the asteroid Lilith.

        My Dark Moon Lilith is in Pisces in the 10th house.
        My asteroid Lilith is in Libra in th 5th house, less than 2 degrees away from Pluto.
        My Black Moon Lilith is Pisces in the 11th house.

        • Re: Lilith

          Sun, June 25, 2006 - 11:15 PM
          Wendy ~

          I still have to double-check my reference notes to make sure I'm getting it straight (& I still make mistakes) ~ using your template (which <witch> I like alot!):

          asteroid Lilith ~ asteroid #1181 ~ downturned hand w/fishhook tail ~ initiates experience ~ how we find ourselves in those repressive situations where we are not free to express ourselves & are not valued for who we intrinsically are. We are prevented from acting, moving, choosing & determining our life circumstances. The asteroid Lilith shows where we want to be free to move, to act, to choose, to speak our truth. It also shows how & where we experience the themes of suppression, resentment, explosive anger, rejection & flight in our lives.

          Dark Moon Lilith ~ hypothetical second moon of Earth ~ circle w/ slash (h13 on astro.com, that is listed as "osc" on the chart for "Osculating Lunar Apogee") ~ develops experience ~ describes our period of exile where the rejected shadowbecomes distorted by the anguish of our pain

          Black Moon Lilith ~ second center of the moon's elliptical orbit around Earth ~ crescent moon over cross ~ completes experience (simply listed as Lilith on astro.com) ~ describes how & where we cut away our pretensions, false roles & delusions & actualize our true, essential selves


          I will post later with more detailed descriptions of the 3 Liliths ~ but I'm happy you are paying attention to this first part!

          love all-ways,
          mem
          • Re: Lilith

            Tue, June 27, 2006 - 1:57 PM
            Yes, yes, post more details! I love getting to know the asteroids and there is so little information available for my perpetually inquisitive self.
            • Re: Lilith

              Tue, June 27, 2006 - 3:37 PM
              Thank-you Wendy. Newbie to actually reading the charts myself. I know my lilth is in the 12th house. How do I figure out which sign she is in?
              • Re: Lilith

                Tue, June 27, 2006 - 4:00 PM
                go to www.astro.com & enter your birth data for free charts

                in the 'extended chart section' you can add Lilith for Black Moon Lilith

                add asteroid # 1181 for asteroid Lilith

                add h13 in the hypothetical planets section for Dark Moon Lilith

                love all-ways,
                mem
    • Re: Lilith

      Sun, June 25, 2006 - 11:35 PM
      So I'm not sure which Lilith these interpretations are for, but here is Lilith through the houses.

      Lilith In The Houses

      LILITH IN THE 1st HOUSE lets you always fight impulsively and initiatively for liberalism and fairness. You have ingenuity and foam over with energy in relations, partnerships and public-referred interests. With sexual adventures you can get enticed easily and if someone offers a leading role to you, you take it without thinking. In this position there is a tendency to come into problematic situations repeatedly, and also to understand the life life-worthy only as a kind of nonstop action.

      LILITH IN THE 2nd HOUSE directs efforts on hedonistic activities and the acquisition of property. Quickly you succumb to material temptations, and you accumulate properties. You probably don't recognize the problems coming along with that, or you don't want to admit them at all, you don't react, but look for harmony and have a sense of art. Perhaps you regret it soon, if you commit yourself in a partnership, especially if you went into financial dependence.

      LILITH IN THE 3rd HOUSE can cause misunderstandings and misjudgings while looking on yourself or on other persons. Perhaps it is not clear to you, how much independence you need, or you even don't want to admit that at all. Therefore you terminate relationships when they become seriously, or you go into a relationship, but get very unhappy with it. You don't want to commit yourself and you also need mental liberty. You feel safe with informal contacts, to which you are looking intensively for, and you can get tempted to meetings without problems.

      LILITH IN THE 4th HOUSE looks for fulfilment in family, home and homeland. Probably you suffer from the missing autonomy, anyhow you don't get lucky. You gladly invite to meals and meet the whole family to communicative happenings. You strive for harmony and diplomacy, but are inclined to misjudge your fellow beings. Possibly there is discord between understanding and feeling.

      LILITH IN THE 5th HOUSE spreads charisma, but possibly lets you misjudge your children. It can lead to fatal misunderstandings, if you don't use your intuition and wisdom with children. Maybe it comes to manipulations on one side or even mutually. You are maybe a phoney and like to set yourself on stage. Gladly you surround yourself with luxury and look for harmony, need a lot of freedom. You easily succumb to the temptation to take part in speculations.

      LILITH IN THE 6th HOUSE often lets you succumb to rational temptations of perfection, correctness and hygiene. On the other hand also an irrational, intuitive attraction shows up. A fight between understanding and feeling could occur here. Perhaps you internally hate all the perfection and such things. You may misjudge the reality frequently, and you take the liberty to place criticism without the necessary objectivity at the same time. Your psychological understanding is very noticeably and perhaps you find your healing in helping other people, in healing and in sympathy for others. In partnerships and relations it could come to a conflict between your thirst for autonomy and an urge to commit yourself to the other. If your public life gets too stressful you may tend to retreat from it for a while.

      LILITH IN THE 7th HOUSE causes a fight between a commitment urge and a strive for independence. Perhaps you are able to analyze your own psychological situation in every detail, but you succumb to the temptation to change nothing, showing the same behaviors again and again, of which you know exactly that you harm yourself. Gladly you manipulate your fellow beings with best intentions and flirts are your speciality. Also, you love the music and show your mediating, always fair and harmony-referring nature.

      LILITH IN THE 8th HOUSE brings you in contact with power. Perhaps you don't notice it at all, or you don't want to admit that people use their power. There is also the possibility that you misjudge your own power by suppressing others. Possibly you expose yourself consciously to dangers or get enticed to dangerous and or sexual activities. This position usually brings contacts with deaths and losses in early years. By your internal wisdom you understood with the years that death is a part of the life.

      LILITH IN THE 9th HOUSE makes optimistically, generous and gives interest in philosophy and religion. You strive very intensively for education and overload yourself with knowledge. There is the possibility, that others misjudge you or take advantage of you, or you negate your abilities or don't want to admit them. You need a lot of independence and are characterized by honesty, fairness and love for justice. You gladly are missionary and make use of your psychological understanding. Possibly others misunderstand you, and there exists a danger of getting enticed by very high and honourable, but not daily ideals making you appearing as unworldly and queer to your fellow beings. You would never say no to an education journey and immediately get into the airplane, also, the temptation of an emigration is very big here, whereby the danger of idealizing the destination of the emigration exists, and you may later realize to have been a victim of an illusion. If you meet your probably permanent desires to travel far away by just doing it, you may come in contact to many interesting people, and thus you will be able to extend your horizon.

      LILITH IN THE 10th HOUSE lets you gladly manipulate other perople. You strive for fame, power and status, but may not recognize the side effects of these things or you recognize them, but suppress or don't admit them at the same time. The result can be problems, restrictions and in the long run bitterness and discords, which you consider as an interference factor in your life surely. Either you don't accept that another one has power over you, or you are not consciously about others that use their power to your disadvantage at all. And thus you surely are in conflict with leading persons permanently, if you are aware of this, because you need very much freedom, and therefore you also could avoid partnerships or allow them to be on a friendship level only. Probably your demands are much too high, and you overload yourself with responsibilities within the areas of partnership and public relations. This position tempts to taboo breakings, to a questioning of conventions and undemocratic social structures.

      LILITH IN THE 11th HOUSE brings strong autonomy efforts. You are very tolerant and open to unusualnesses, surely have strange, but very creative artistic attitudes and prefer open partnerships, that others would rather consider as friendships only. You look for adventurous friendships, but could tend to misjudge the kind of your friends natures, or you don't want to admit them. Intuition and wisdom are nevertheless very strong, as well as your inventor talent. You like to present your eccentric nature.

      LILITH IN THE 12th HOUSE seems to create an urge for illusions, fantasies and intoxication conditions. You are probably susceptibly to drugs and easily impressable. On the other hand, this position gives a very strong creative and inspirative capability. You vary between social contacts and retreats to isolation, are engaged excessively in the social area and help sympatheticly wherever it is necessary, whereby you also might neglect yourself. Perhaps a tendency exists, to walk through the life without a self, because you negate, don't recognize or want to admit your own needs.
      • Re: Lilith

        Fri, June 30, 2006 - 5:41 AM
        Hi!
        Now i'm studing the 3 liliths, and what you all wrote is very helpful!
        I'm new here and in this subject and what you all done is very helpful and great!

        P.S. Chaz, thank you for everything you posted! It's really helpful!And i think everyone agree with me!
  • Re: Lilith

    Sun, July 2, 2006 - 9:34 AM
    Thanks for the Lilith interpretations as they're very hard to find. These interpretations are very in tune for me.
    • Re: Lilith

      Wed, May 14, 2008 - 12:18 PM
      Lilith has been discovered by a known astronomer, Cassini. This LILIT VERA or Cassini Lilith is an object, or was. several observations from Berlin to Zürich followed upon Bologna's discovery. Still there are secrets... lulu.com/astrology