www.esotericgoldendawn.com/ourorder.htm
If you are among the few who have a serious interest in spiritual growth, the use and development of your intuition, the study of Mystical Christianity, Qabalah, Egyptian Mysteries, philosophy, Tarot, Greek Mysteries, alchemy, astrology, astral travel, clairvoyance, and ritual magic, then the Golden Dawn may be right for you.
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Re: Esoteric Order of the Golden Dawn
Mon, July 14, 2008 - 1:14 PMHave you interacted with anyone at that institution yet?
I've never bothered. Just wondering what they are like.
Want to discuss the set up of Tarot/Astrology/Qabalah?
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Re: Esoteric Order of the Golden Dawn
Mon, July 14, 2008 - 1:58 PM
Thanks,
>"Have you interacted with anyone at that institution yet?"<
No I haven't, I just came across this website and thought i should post it
i really haven't even had a chance to really check it out yet - I always find it interesting in how they interpret
the Ka and Ba of KMT
>"Want to discuss the set up of Tarot/Astrology/Qabalah?"<
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Mon, July 14, 2008 - 6:01 PM"I always find it interesting in how they interpret the Ka and Ba of KMT"
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Mon, July 14, 2008 - 6:54 PM
>"How is it they interpret such?"<
As a Jewish Mysticism which began with the Tanakh (the Hebrew Bible) and Judaism.
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Mon, July 14, 2008 - 9:49 PM
SNL ....Smiles ;-)
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Mon, July 14, 2008 - 9:54 PM
Yeah why the secrecy? “D’oh!” - said like homer simpson ;-P
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Re: Esoteric Order of the Golden Dawn
Tue, July 15, 2008 - 12:14 AMReally? Why? Who really wants membership anyway? (Groucho Marx)
I just want to know whether I should bother with the thoughts anymore.
Largely undesirable. Discrete like a gunshot to the back of the head?
That's so kindly of them. How many cannon fodder recruits are we?
Personally in some ways I wish I had really never heard of the whole
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Re: Esoteric Order of the Golden Dawn
Tue, July 15, 2008 - 9:35 AM
We dwell in times were the ego of man, and not the spirit of man, is adored and reinforced. We should allow for all that is said to be sacred to be in an adulterated and atrophied state.
Sincere and close observation shows that this is indeed the case with the arcane canon, with the great Hermetic Arts of Divination: Tarot, Astrology, Kabala and Numerology.
When I took up a serious study of the Tarot it was there that I found the secrets to the real Archetypal Astrology. The high Arts of Divination have each suffered from flagrant tampering, manipulation and unsustainable interpretation, from those wishing to, as the sun they worship does, conceal greater secrets.
Moreover, in today's overly dislocated world of academia, the Divination Arts are almost never taught as one subject as they always were in KMT. Nevertheless, as I discovered, it seems that the Universal Will (Intelligence) is always in operation.
In my studies I found that what was taken from or lost to one Art would be preserved and traceable in its cousin. That which was expunged or lost to Numerology I found still intact in, say, Astrology. What was lost to Kabala I could resurrect from the study of KMT and so on. So, like an archaeologist, only in the realm of the esoteric, I learned how to "dust off" these relics, so to speak, and piece them back together again.
I did this with no prerequisite or pet theory, and no partisan conviction or bias. I knew not what shape the final edifice would assume. Little did I realize that my task would take me back through time to see the travesty that both time and man have played on these mystic creations of our forefathers.
"We may fairly agree that the subject of history, as commonly taught, is one of the most boring of all subjects. However, the study of how the subject of history has been manipulated, is surely one of the most interesting of all subjects"
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Tue, July 15, 2008 - 9:36 AM
It is a time when the sacred arts are again presented and taught, as one, for unless the four Hermetic Arts are themselves first considered, learned, taught and practiced as one, consciousness will not know unison.
This is the message of the first card of the Tarot, The Magician. His esoteric letter is Beth, which actually means - "The House of God." Though this refers to the Great Pyramid at Giza, it also refers to the human body, one's own temple, one's own veritable house of god.
As William Blake reminded us, all the gods reside in the human breast that is - within. The Magician's task is unite the four into one. This is the secret message of the architecture of the Great Pyramid, of the Magician's strange three-legged table and of the grand Hierophants and Druids of Egypt, India, Ireland and the world.
Esoterically, the prestige of the cards is supreme. It is immeasurably sacred and contains many magical secrets, even concerning mathematics and sacred geometry. Tarot relates to the:
kEMET (Ancient Egypt) Egyptian, Hebrew, Celtic and English Magical Alphabets,
To the Kabalistic Tree of Life
The Chakra System
The Alchemical Process (Magnum Opus)
To Sacred Numerology (Pythagorean and other)
The physical orbit and movement of the luminaries and planets
To the Precession of the Equinoxes
The Process of Human Individuation
The yearly maturation of the human-being
The Personality Types
The Zodiac (paranatellons and decans, etc,.)
The sequence of the historical centuries (1st - 21st)
The Periodical Table of Elements
and several other esoteric and exoteric phenomena.
The Tarot is the Book of Life. In fact, when students of Alchemy are pontificating about the mysterious Emerald Tablets of Hermes (Thoth) they fail to recognize that these are again the actual Tarot. Each person is represented in the Tarot's 78 mysterious and beautiful pages.
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Tue, July 15, 2008 - 9:40 AM
In ordinary life, which has become extraordinarily complex, we make mistakes and take wrong turnings which waste large amounts of time, energy and money and which cause great frustration. Look at the complexes and vices which arise from uncertainty and ignorance. We make a wrong move that causes ourselves and others enormous hardship.
From these there arises other pernicious quandaries which beset us - guilt, self-recrimination, hostility, frustration and regret, etc,. Or because we think we are right in another area we contravene the space or boundaries of another person, who then becomes an enemy instead of a friend. Is this not the familiar pattern of life?
We are prevented from reaching our own goals and excellence when we make these kinds of detours. We constantly make decisions which are so important for our lives and for our responsibilities toward others, making it essential to get proper guidance.
Now we already ask each other for a great deal of guidance in day-to-day affairs and we constantly act on the feedback. So what is wrong with going to the Source which always has the right answer? Asking someone who is, like oneself, divorced from their source, for the answers to personal questions is obviously not going to ever foster wisdom.
Within each human mind there is the capacity to have inner dialogue. In short, we commune inwardly with ourselves daily in the privacy of the personal consciousness. However, this so-called dialogue is more a chaos of mental chatter. All of us can testify to this. But we are each meant to have a coherent inner dialogue between the conscious and subconscious, the right and left hemispheres of our brains.
Today, philosophers and social thinkers, as well as many activists and malcontents, have correctly stated that our technological and intellectual development is far more advanced than our emotional and psychological natures. They lament that there seems little to be done about it. As far as the collective level goes they are perfectly right. As H. M. Jones said: This is the age where we are proud of machines that think, but suspicious of men who try to.
Even within the individual there will be no reconciliation of these states until minds become open to what the Divination Arts actuate. They are now, and always have been, the means of inculcating the deeper wisdom so necessary in life.
This Source within is the inner guide or "Oracle" and we get into contact with it by way of the Tarot. It is known in the Magical Tradition as "Communion of the Holy Guardian Angels."
**The Egyptians knew it as the Ka, the Karast (Christ) or simply the "Double." In Alchemy this is known as the Agathodaimon or Aquastor, also as Mercury, Hermes, the Psychopompos. One of the main symbols of this entity is the dog. (See Fool Arcanum).
This "Twin" exists within us. In fact it is the real us, the Authentic Being which never loses its rapport with the Universal Order. We, however, lose contact with the Twin very early in life, often immediately after birth. It is the Twin which returns at the point of death. It is this return which causes us enormous regret and pain for it is this Twin that we have neglected for all the attractions of the phenomenal world.
The Twin returns in pristine condition whereas we are laden and contaminated with the conditioning of worldly existence. The parting from the Twin is the cause of death's real agony. This is why Christ on the cross cries out to God (Twin-Self) not to "forsake" him. This is the cry of the lower self to the higher and not a call to God.
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Tue, July 15, 2008 - 10:15 AM
Ooops! i always post to much, here is the entire article
ASTROTHEOLOGY
people.tribe.net/chaz/blog...314ee0345e
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Tue, July 15, 2008 - 2:01 PMyou can take some basic studies....attend open events. but they are very discrete. -
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Tue, July 15, 2008 - 6:03 PMWell... to start simply: 4 worlds, 4 elements, 4 letters in the divine name, and interfusion of male and female principles,
same with the astrological signs, 2 male, 2 female, ehhh what else? paths on the tree, western esoteric or traditional
jewish, orientation of such paths to denote certain connections while omitting others. I've posted threads about some
of them in kabalah tribes. Ramification of the sybolism of those paths and their structures. Levels of dualities, hashing
out of how 'symmetry broke'. Each sephirah has all the rest in it, how large of an infinity are we talking about?
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Tue, July 15, 2008 - 6:04 PMVision, Virtue, Vice.
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Tue, July 15, 2008 - 8:34 PM
why the secrets and discretion?
because they are guilty of being a bunch of lying sacks of shit who stole from Africa and claim it as their own -The Kabbalah too
and who are too scared to introduce this to the world because of lash-backs from the Christian-Jewish world $$$
It would put right back in their face all the lies through-out history and crush their illusion of White supremacy
for one thing we can start with the Counterfeit Jews and go from there - they're still getting reparations
The world's best kept secret; the real Jews are black - not these "Khazars" they are impostors.
Falasha (black ) Jews are being racially profiled brutally attack and kicked out of Israel (not only a long time ago, but today)
Why would they lie about history you say?
For the perpetuation of (the illusion) White supremacy.
that's why that won't tell you Egypt was black ...
I challenge you to find 10 books written by White Egyptologists who mention that Egypt (and for that matter Israel) is in Africa
Black people are responsible for the Tarot, Astrology, Numerology, The bible, the Torah, the Koran, on and on
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Tue, July 15, 2008 - 8:54 PMwhen I was a kid..I got my dad very angry because I pointed out the very obvious but twist trust that Egypt was in Africa...which meant egyptians were black. My dad got pissed. I'll never forget his reaction. I was appalled and confused at the same time. But even as a 9 year kid I knew the truth was distorted regarding ancient knowledge... -
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Tue, July 15, 2008 - 9:27 PM
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Wed, July 16, 2008 - 1:12 AMG, you're going a bit overboard there. Reel yourself back in. Like Colbert, I don't see skin color.
I have no idea what subrace you are. Egyptians were undoubtedly swarthier. Lower and Upper,
remember. Nubians, Nabataeans, Edomites, Ammonites, Hyksos, Hittites, it's a well-developed field.
Don't overlay a current politicization onto ancient history. Read some better sources. It was not
always about skin color, and in order to argue your contentions we would have to pinpoint a very
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Re: Esoteric Order of the Golden Dawn
Wed, July 16, 2008 - 1:16 AMIsrael is obviously not *on* the continent of Africa.
True, the Levant was owned during some pharoahs'
reigns by Egypt. That does not take it off the continent
of Asia.
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Re: Esoteric Order of the Golden Dawn
Wed, July 16, 2008 - 8:53 AMSome say, black people are more intimatly linked with their souls, because they are closer to the Sun.
True, we need a revision of History - as the consensual one is written by those who 'won': the very enterprising and mercyless mlecchas.
It has allways been said: 'All wisdom comes from Kemet, it has been thus since the beginning of 'Western Civlisation', whether it be the Greeks, the Jews or anybody - the profound and enduring impact of African wisdom is undeniable. Yet, it is not the only source of Man's Spiritual heritage. All is shifting now...
Yet... we should never forget... to always zealously defend the Truth: we cannot ethnicize the Tradition...as the Tradition itself is above the petty games of humanity . Any 'tradition' that claims to respresent 'truth', must necessarily reject any limiting affiliation with any socio-political (temporal) structure:
"9"Sir," the woman said, "I can see that you are a prophet. 20 Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews claim that the place where we must worship is in Jerusalem."
21Jesus declared, "Believe me, woman, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth." Gospel according to Johan 4 -
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Wed, July 16, 2008 - 4:19 PMWho decides just what God is, says? If THAT is force freed from form, what is form freed from force?
Tiphareth is the beauty of balance. Force and Form would both be superseded by God. Humanity
needs clearer ideas about all this. Otherwise the cycles of sacrifices will go on? And who needs
sacrifices? Humanity? God? I think that it's time to do some 'thought restructuring'.
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Wed, July 16, 2008 - 4:27 PMSomeone explain to me just how God was created to shepherd just this one lonesome planet
amid billions of galaxies. Human religion makes God parochial. The more we personalize that
above, the more it hates human failings. As above, so below. Best to let it be far beyond us,
perhaps only understood through arcane philosophy.
Unless you want to start off by saying God consciousness created this world first, then *ad hoc*
created the rest of the universe around it to stir curiosity. That reasoning can be written. I was kinda
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Re: Esoteric Order of the Golden Dawn
Thu, July 17, 2008 - 9:02 AM
Oh God! who open up the Wormhole? ;-P
"But I really don't think humanity can handle those ideas."
I think humanity can and has
Worm you have gotten yourself into quite a conundrum...
We are the Ultimate Answer to the Ultimate Questions!
BTW are U challenging me???
Israel and Egypt are on the continent of Africa; home the Negorids, doesn't matter how others want to divide it up,
race is the reason they've segregated it in the first place you can walk from Egypt to Israel, the Nile is in Africa -We OWN IT
>"Like Colbert, I don't see skin color."<
Well perhaps you and Colbert should, if you care anything about human injustice and world equality
There's a a Black Holocaust going on world wide
Half of all Black men in their 20s are unemployed, and there are more young black men in prison than in college.
40 million Black people dying in Africa, i guess it's just not PC enough?
U.N. says 11 million Black people in Africa are on 'brink of starvation'
if a Meteorite was headed for the earth and we were was told it would hit a city killing 2 million people the whole world would be in panic, US forces would be going to the rescue...200,000 killed in the Tsunami and two ex-presidents are asking for money. millions are being sent.
Oh but I don't see color ....
LA has basically been over taken by gangs which start in prison, "Oh, those are just th bad kids" yet this is spreading in every town USA
Oakland averages a 100 of murders a year by young black teenage kids,
if this was any other community they would have declared Marshall law...
U.N. Says AIDS Could Kill 80 Million Africans by 2025
More Than 25 Million Have Already Been Infected (injected) With HIV
"it's a well-developed field. well-developed field."
Ha-ha! Says who, it's a field of well developed Lies
>"Don't overlay a current politicization onto ancient history. Read some better sources. "<
I haven't, and how about you asking my resource instead of making ASSumptions or do you immediately write off Scholars who are adherent to the true culture and history of Africa?
Have you've learned and studied under Africans?
We can explain everything perfectly well, but will you listen...
OUR MISSION IS TO EDUCATE ALL PEOPLE.
Part of our education must be to free ourselves of the false paradigms and self-serving Westerners social constraints
that we have ALL fallen victim to. I believe that we all have been a victim of these lies not just Africans
Part of this fiction is that Westerns think they own history - and teach that they have been the harbingers of civilization since time immemorial, and that Blacks and other people of color have been their subordinates throughout history. Nothing could be farther from the truth.
Hence, when you come to this Tribe and step to God, I'm going to respond.
We believe that the falsification of history by Western scientists (Scientism) and scholars has remained unchallenged for far too long.
And we certainly will not tolerate it here. So, let’s get it on! We’ll start with you.
Welcome To The Terrordome!
Public Enemy # 1
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Re: Esoteric Order of the Golden Dawn
Thu, July 17, 2008 - 9:03 AMDon't do what you want (to think) and You can do Anything You like (to experience).
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Thu, July 17, 2008 - 9:18 AM
Thanks Partha, and I agree
>"It has allways been said: 'All wisdom comes from Kemet,"
who has said this????
>"the profound and enduring impact of African wisdom is undeniable"<
yet do we know what the African wisdom is and means?
>"Yet, it is not the only source of Man's Spiritual heritage. All is shifting now..."<
what does that mean "all is shifting" and what are the other sources?
"Any 'tradition' that claims to respresent 'truth', must necessarily reject any limiting affiliation with any socio-political (temporal) structure"
so your saying that my statements are for political purposes?
Why I'm so adamant about Kemet: when I spell it KMT, it's more about the Cosmic Spiritual culture, not so much as a people or place, but a culture of ideas and concepts, as it was passed along to every nation of the world, as we see traces of it in all our branches of Religion, Language, Numbers, Myths, and Politics and Values, but the Roots are missing - KMT is the foundation long lost foundation...
knowing this helps us truly understand those mentioned above.
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Thu, July 17, 2008 - 2:24 PMOK, I can plainly see that this will not be a discussion of tarot/astrology/qabalah,
but rather a discussion of racial inequality. That's fine. I could actually say some
things about that. But I won't. Because the thread was supposed to be about
something else. Therefore why bother. If indeed Hebrew mysticism came from
KMT, back that up for me with something other than invective. Kaph Mem Teth?
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Re: Esoteric Order of the Golden Dawn
Thu, July 17, 2008 - 6:47 PM
Thank you Worm for being open and tolerating me ;-)
Tribe is driving me crazy, I lost a post in which i was explaining in detail
let's start another thread ...
This thread can be whatever we make of it, but I understand your point, but this is not about advocacy of the "Black Cause" though i despise inequality and injustice (i have Mars in Libra opposite Mercury in Aries) and I'm passionate for these people and what they've been through, but what's more important is we believe our educational systems and the world we live in...we believe what science tells
us to be true and for the most part we believe in our history lesson - but this is so much bigger than that
It's like that Jim Carrey movie, The Truman Show, I woke up one morning and everything i thought was true turned out to be a lie
I love ALL my brothers and sisters; White, Black, Brown, Yellow, Red, etc - and i don't classify myself as Black or White
many don't understand these sister intuitive sciences and their relationships; to the Tarot, Astrology, Numerology, and Qabalah
and what they mean, it's been turned into things outside of ourselves, people, or gods
Many live their day to day life contingent on what's going on in the planets fearful or manifesting broken relationships based on
someones sun sign etc - todays Astrology is a patriartic of warring paradigms - Astrology of fear; think of Archetypes of
Pluto, Saturn, Mars, Aries, and so many others.
a lot of people won't even date another if they have hard aspects.
I want you to feel free to "say things",
You have to understand this is really NOT about race or a "Black agenda"
or advocacy for Nationalism or "Black" is better than white etc ...
it's about bring out what has been lost and why, the what these people really were talking about and knew
it blows my mind ...How did they know this stuff in 7000 B.C?
I have to hear it from Women when they talk about the patriartical systems, i could get upset of defensive,
but i know they aren't talking about me, but the injustice
It sounds like you understand Kabbalah, which is my interest with you on so many levels -
it resembles (almost the same) a lot of what KMT teaches
we can start another thread if you like, i have plenty of resources
The original Jews or Israelites were Black Afrikan people from Ethiopia
The original Hebrews (Habirus).... the mysticism is African and prior...
the 12 tribes of Judah are actually the 12 signs of the Zodiac
all this will tie in...
The truth is that Africa people were doing these sciences in Egypt long before Europeans even existed in the world.
so please again i know how this can come off ... but let's look on this as if it could really change the world and make it a much better place
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Fri, July 18, 2008 - 2:57 AM1, It's a Gnostic proverb...it refers to the historic Kemet as well as the Allegorical Kemet.
2. Probably not as well as you do ;)
3 Global consciouness. Wisdom schools (such as the Golden Dawn) have a specific function in time and space...Some will continue on at higher frequencies, some will dissolve. I feel attracted to Sanatana Dharma...but in essence it's all the same. There was a Time when there existed a great world culture with one Wisdom school. Well I don't have to explain to you...the Golden Age etc..... I mean, even now you can see - apart from cultural emphasis on some aspects - they all agree in essence: One Tradition.
4.No, I'm not saying that...I mean I agree with you on most points. I know what happened - but skin is just that: skin. It's about the astral herd most people connect to subconsciously or some people connecting intuitively to a group... It's scary to stand alone beyond all attributes: gender, age, race, religion, politics....But I don't think you are like that, I just think that where other people would knock, you use a battering ram ;). Effective, yet disconcerting...
Anyway, i posted something about race, let's see what happens...
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